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		<title>By: Jake Cole</title>
		<link>http://ctcmr.com/2009/11/11/saving-private-ryan-1998/#comment-1018</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, I think that TRL and SPR absolutely canceled each other out. Jonathan Rosenbaum wrote about the Chicago Film Critics Circle (or maybe it was New York) devolving into an argument over the two until another film entirely won because the votes were so split. Shakespeare in Love is a prime example of Miramax&#039;s stranglehold on Hollywood through the &#039;90s. They gave us some great things, such as Tarantino and Kevin Smith (sue me, world, I like the guy), but the Weinsteins set in motion the current dismal state of the Oscars today by so blatantly exchanging their cash for gold. Not that the Oscars has ever been truly on the ball, but they used to at least be in the ballpark when it came to the year&#039;s best. I spent most of my teens wishing SPR would have won the Oscar, and even now I think it&#039;s a damn sight better than the three other nominees (do not even get me started on Life is Beautiful) 

And thanks for the kind words about my own blog. I&#039;ve been stumbling across some great stuff lately as I&#039;ve kind of hopped through the blogrolls of some movie sites I like (basically all of these sites have similar listings to yours so I&#039;ve been going between them) and I really like a lot of them, yours included.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I think that TRL and SPR absolutely canceled each other out. Jonathan Rosenbaum wrote about the Chicago Film Critics Circle (or maybe it was New York) devolving into an argument over the two until another film entirely won because the votes were so split. Shakespeare in Love is a prime example of Miramax&#8217;s stranglehold on Hollywood through the &#8217;90s. They gave us some great things, such as Tarantino and Kevin Smith (sue me, world, I like the guy), but the Weinsteins set in motion the current dismal state of the Oscars today by so blatantly exchanging their cash for gold. Not that the Oscars has ever been truly on the ball, but they used to at least be in the ballpark when it came to the year&#8217;s best. I spent most of my teens wishing SPR would have won the Oscar, and even now I think it&#8217;s a damn sight better than the three other nominees (do not even get me started on Life is Beautiful) </p>
<p>And thanks for the kind words about my own blog. I&#8217;ve been stumbling across some great stuff lately as I&#8217;ve kind of hopped through the blogrolls of some movie sites I like (basically all of these sites have similar listings to yours so I&#8217;ve been going between them) and I really like a lot of them, yours included.</p>
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		<title>By: madhatter21</title>
		<link>http://ctcmr.com/2009/11/11/saving-private-ryan-1998/#comment-1016</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Even though RYAN is one of my favorite movies, I totally agree with a lot of what you dislike about it. Many of those details I think are what hold it back from becoming a masterpiece.

TRL is indeed poetry. It touches on the enemy&#039;s point of view in a more elegant way, and also takes a stunning look at not only the battle - but the field on which the battle is being fought.

The only thing that might hold it back a tad, is that it&#039;s a bit more existentialist than most war films. Not that that&#039;s a bad thing - far from it, just that it isn&#039;t always what one expects when they sit down to watch a war movie. I do love it, RYAN speaks to me a tad clearer, but they&#039;re both equally amazing.

Now with both of them getting released in the same year, you can see how LINE and RYAN competing against one another could result in SHAKESPEARE sneaking in.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even though RYAN is one of my favorite movies, I totally agree with a lot of what you dislike about it. Many of those details I think are what hold it back from becoming a masterpiece.</p>
<p>TRL is indeed poetry. It touches on the enemy&#8217;s point of view in a more elegant way, and also takes a stunning look at not only the battle &#8211; but the field on which the battle is being fought.</p>
<p>The only thing that might hold it back a tad, is that it&#8217;s a bit more existentialist than most war films. Not that that&#8217;s a bad thing &#8211; far from it, just that it isn&#8217;t always what one expects when they sit down to watch a war movie. I do love it, RYAN speaks to me a tad clearer, but they&#8217;re both equally amazing.</p>
<p>Now with both of them getting released in the same year, you can see how LINE and RYAN competing against one another could result in SHAKESPEARE sneaking in.</p>
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		<title>By: Aiden R</title>
		<link>http://ctcmr.com/2009/11/11/saving-private-ryan-1998/#comment-1014</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Man, looks like I gotta give Thin Red Line another watch. I do recall the vibe being must more, as you say, poetic, but for the time being, still a bigger fan of SPR. But who knows, things change. Thanks for reading and commenting, man. Really dig your site.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, looks like I gotta give Thin Red Line another watch. I do recall the vibe being must more, as you say, poetic, but for the time being, still a bigger fan of SPR. But who knows, things change. Thanks for reading and commenting, man. Really dig your site.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake Cole</title>
		<link>http://ctcmr.com/2009/11/11/saving-private-ryan-1998/#comment-1013</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But The Thin Red Line is a vastly superior film. I used to really love SPR, but the more I visit it the more I sit back and admire the battle scenes and roll my eyes through the interim, because the script seems to have congealed from cliché. Tom Hanks is a teacher. Vin Diesel is Italian. There is an obligatory guy from Brooklyn. I don&#039;t agree with Jonathan Rosenbaum&#039;s vicious railing against what he perceived to be a championing of American superiority, but it&#039;s certainly a love letter to the so-called Greatest Generation because a title like that comes with the constant need for ego-boosting. I do still like it a fair amount (probably give it a 3.5/5 or a high 7/10 rating), but it&#039;s flawed. Besides, that framing device is almost sickening in how awful it is.

By comparison, The Thin Red Line somehow managed to make poetry into a semi-realistic depiction of war. Granted, I would suspect that your average soldier does not muse over existentialist concerns, but I thought it was the most honest portrayal of WWII soldiers as actual, flesh-and-blood humans with fears. Compare the overall mission of SPR, wherein a group of men are essentially sent to their deaths just to rescue one person, and any grumblings over how absurd this is are quashed with lines about doing our duty (i.e. the necessity of following orders), to TRL. In that film, when a colonel orders his men into a deathtrap, a subordinate refuses to send the men. He will not follow an order that will lead to a slaughter and assured defeat. The Thin Red Line is poetry, but in this respect it has a refreshingly honest, Fulleresque approach (plus, the battle scenes are as striking as SPR, albeit for entirely different reasons).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But The Thin Red Line is a vastly superior film. I used to really love SPR, but the more I visit it the more I sit back and admire the battle scenes and roll my eyes through the interim, because the script seems to have congealed from cliché. Tom Hanks is a teacher. Vin Diesel is Italian. There is an obligatory guy from Brooklyn. I don&#8217;t agree with Jonathan Rosenbaum&#8217;s vicious railing against what he perceived to be a championing of American superiority, but it&#8217;s certainly a love letter to the so-called Greatest Generation because a title like that comes with the constant need for ego-boosting. I do still like it a fair amount (probably give it a 3.5/5 or a high 7/10 rating), but it&#8217;s flawed. Besides, that framing device is almost sickening in how awful it is.</p>
<p>By comparison, The Thin Red Line somehow managed to make poetry into a semi-realistic depiction of war. Granted, I would suspect that your average soldier does not muse over existentialist concerns, but I thought it was the most honest portrayal of WWII soldiers as actual, flesh-and-blood humans with fears. Compare the overall mission of SPR, wherein a group of men are essentially sent to their deaths just to rescue one person, and any grumblings over how absurd this is are quashed with lines about doing our duty (i.e. the necessity of following orders), to TRL. In that film, when a colonel orders his men into a deathtrap, a subordinate refuses to send the men. He will not follow an order that will lead to a slaughter and assured defeat. The Thin Red Line is poetry, but in this respect it has a refreshingly honest, Fulleresque approach (plus, the battle scenes are as striking as SPR, albeit for entirely different reasons).</p>
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		<title>By: Aiden R</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dumbo Drop. Moving that to the #1 spot on my Netflix queue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dumbo Drop. Moving that to the #1 spot on my Netflix queue.</p>
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		<title>By: Aiden R</title>
		<link>http://ctcmr.com/2009/11/11/saving-private-ryan-1998/#comment-994</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aiden R]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting, but not all that surprising either. Some shit was definitely up. And yeah, Thin Red Line&#039;s a good one. Haven&#039; seen it in a long time, might be about time to revisit that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting, but not all that surprising either. Some shit was definitely up. And yeah, Thin Red Line&#8217;s a good one. Haven&#8217; seen it in a long time, might be about time to revisit that.</p>
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		<title>By: Mad Hatter</title>
		<link>http://ctcmr.com/2009/11/11/saving-private-ryan-1998/#comment-990</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great review - One of my very favorite films of all time actually. Not sure about TV where you live, but I was disappointed that I couldn&#039;t find it on TV last night.

As for Oscar, there are two reasons (and only two) that it missed Best Picture. Neither of the two have anything to do with Rosie&#039;s argument.

The first is that RYAN had the misfortune of competing with THE THIN RED LINE. TRL is a very different, but also very powerful war film. It&#039;s Best Pic nomination stole more than a few votes from SPR and allowed LOVE a window of opportunity. Had TRL not been nominated, RYAN likely wins.

The second - and less obvious - reason is Miramax. Miramax campaigned &lt;i&gt;hard&lt;/i&gt; for LOVE. This was at the apex of The Weinsteins&#039; power and influence over Hollywood, and they spared no expense when it came to getting people to consider LOVE, and indeed in denouncing RYAN. More than any other Best Picture, LOVE is widely seen as the award Miramax bought.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great review &#8211; One of my very favorite films of all time actually. Not sure about TV where you live, but I was disappointed that I couldn&#8217;t find it on TV last night.</p>
<p>As for Oscar, there are two reasons (and only two) that it missed Best Picture. Neither of the two have anything to do with Rosie&#8217;s argument.</p>
<p>The first is that RYAN had the misfortune of competing with THE THIN RED LINE. TRL is a very different, but also very powerful war film. It&#8217;s Best Pic nomination stole more than a few votes from SPR and allowed LOVE a window of opportunity. Had TRL not been nominated, RYAN likely wins.</p>
<p>The second &#8211; and less obvious &#8211; reason is Miramax. Miramax campaigned <i>hard</i> for LOVE. This was at the apex of The Weinsteins&#8217; power and influence over Hollywood, and they spared no expense when it came to getting people to consider LOVE, and indeed in denouncing RYAN. More than any other Best Picture, LOVE is widely seen as the award Miramax bought.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross McG</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 11:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rosie makes a good point about that flashback. i actually think Shakespeare in Love is great fun, just one of those movies that gets a lot of flak cos it won the oscar. i even like Ben Affleck in it.
Saving Private Ryan is just great though - excellent point that the rest of the movie is as good as the beginning. 

its one of those films i dont think i really love - its not in my list of alltime favourites or anything - but whenever i watch it im in floods of tears the whole way through. spielberg is a master manipulator, and although he often tugs on the heartstrings in a bit of an obvious way, im always ready to give him my uh, heartstrings. or something. you get the idea.
Saving Private Ryan.. is it as good a war movie as Operation Dumbo Drop? You know what, yes, it probably is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rosie makes a good point about that flashback. i actually think Shakespeare in Love is great fun, just one of those movies that gets a lot of flak cos it won the oscar. i even like Ben Affleck in it.<br />
Saving Private Ryan is just great though &#8211; excellent point that the rest of the movie is as good as the beginning. </p>
<p>its one of those films i dont think i really love &#8211; its not in my list of alltime favourites or anything &#8211; but whenever i watch it im in floods of tears the whole way through. spielberg is a master manipulator, and although he often tugs on the heartstrings in a bit of an obvious way, im always ready to give him my uh, heartstrings. or something. you get the idea.<br />
Saving Private Ryan.. is it as good a war movie as Operation Dumbo Drop? You know what, yes, it probably is.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Thompson</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 04:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great write-up, and yes, SPR is far superior to SiL in every single way, including script, that may be the area where it is the most superior.  I saw this movie a bunch of times in the theater, and I&#039;ve watched it many more times on DVD, SPR never loses any of its luster.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great write-up, and yes, SPR is far superior to SiL in every single way, including script, that may be the area where it is the most superior.  I saw this movie a bunch of times in the theater, and I&#8217;ve watched it many more times on DVD, SPR never loses any of its luster.</p>
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		<title>By: Aiden R</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 04:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with Zanuck&#039;s statement, but gotta disagree with you on this one. Maybe I need to give Shakespeare another watch, but the winner goes to Spielberg here, so does the script he&#039;s working with. Although I&#039;m with you on it being a mistake making old Ryan the main character at the beginning and end. Main flaw of the movie, other than that, still a big fan. But hey, thanks for reading and thanks for commenting!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Zanuck&#8217;s statement, but gotta disagree with you on this one. Maybe I need to give Shakespeare another watch, but the winner goes to Spielberg here, so does the script he&#8217;s working with. Although I&#8217;m with you on it being a mistake making old Ryan the main character at the beginning and end. Main flaw of the movie, other than that, still a big fan. But hey, thanks for reading and thanks for commenting!</p>
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